dr_von_fangirl ([info]dr_von_fangirl) wrote,

The COMPLETE definitive Catwoman origin.

I disappeared for six months, I know. I have the best excuse ever, though: I've been busy being pregnant.

But, now I'm back and to make up for my horribly long hiatus, I have brought you one hell of a scans-heavy post. The scans-heavy post to end all posts.


Dr. Von Fangirl Now Proudly Presents: The Ultimate Catwoman Origin



"How did I get to be so brave?" Selina asks herself in a fear toxin induced haze above.

It's a fair question. But to answer it, we have to look at its deeper roots--roots that lie in a question of motivation. What compels a seemingly ordinary individual like Selina Kyle to don a mask and stalk the night?

For Bruce Wayne, it took seeing his parents murdered in front of him; Jonathan Crane, a lifetime of ridicule and pain; Harley Quinn, all-consuming obsessive love. All the best heroes and villains in every medium, from literature to film to comic books, have traceable motivations for their behavior. It humanizes them and makes them easier for us, the audience, to understand and sympathize with.

For Selina, there was no one defining moment--at least, not in the way that there was for Bruce Wayne. Instead, it took numerous experiences, some positive and some negative, conspiring to strengthen her, both inside and out. A series of misfortunes, teachers, mistakes to learn from and some very lucky twists of fate to put Selina Kyle in the position for the stars to align just right for her to become the Feline Fatale we all know today.

If you were to wander into a comic shop and ask the clerk behind the counter why Selina became Catwoman, chances are they wouldn't be able to tell you in great detail. Not because she doesn't have a detailed history, but because most of the comics that touch on her origin stories are out of print--and have been for a long, long time. In fact, this problem isn't limited to just the clerk in the comic shop; so little information is available online regarding Selina's origins that there is no way to get a complete picture of who she is from any source.

As a result of this, there's some very wrong info floating around. People remember events wrong, or misrepresent them, or misinterpret them, or they've heard it from a friend-of-a-friend. However the bad information is created, it then gets spread around until it starts to look like fact.

People who don't like Selina's origin as a dominatrix, for example, state over and over again that the events of Batman: Year One have never been confirmed by other sources, or that they've been contradicted by Catwoman: Year One. Others say that she never trained with Ted Grant, or that she couldn't possibly be as skilled as she is in the art of hand-to-hand combat because we never saw her training with anyone, or that it doesn't make sense for a dominatrix to suddenly have mad cat burglary skillz.

Up until now, there's never been any way to dispute these statements, no matter how incorrect they are. Personally, every time I see them, I get hopping mad because I know better. But, that's me. I've been collecting Catwoman's appearances for ages; I've been reading her stories for fifteen years; I can't expect everyone else to track down every single issue just to find out what really makes Selina tick.

One of the underlying reasons I started this blog was not just to spread love for Catwoman around, but to serve as an educational resource. About eighty percent of Catwoman’s post-crisis comics appearances remain uncollected, including all of her 90‘s solo-series (except four issues in ‘The Cat File‘--which is out of print). This means the only way you’ll find them is by scouring back issue bins--and even then, you might not know what to look for. If you ever want to read Selina’s complete origin story, it’d take forever to track everything down and piece it together.

Thus, after nearly nine months of preparation, searching, research and hard work, I have compiled the most complete post-crisis Catwoman origin in history. Since I own about four hundred of Selina’s four hundred-sixty comics appearances published since the crisis--indeed, I own EVERY appearance from 1986 to 1999 as well as her 1989, 1993 and 2002 series and am slowly filling in what few gaps are left--I was able to comb through every appearance, looking for mentions of her origin so that nothing would be left out.

Piecing together the timeline took a fair bit of doing and a fair bit of me pulling my hair out, but all in all, the result was worth it. The timeline draws from several different sources that contain information about Selina’s beginnings: Batman: Year One, Catwoman: Her Sister’s Keeper, Catwoman Annual #2, Catwoman #0, Catwoman: Secret Files and Origins, Catwoman #81 and Catwoman #94.

In the interests of clarity and conciseness, I had one rule while compiling the timeline:

Events must be either CONFIRMED by another comic or UNDISPUTED throughout continuity to make it onto the timeline as canon.

If part of an event is disputed, while another part of the event is confirmed, then only the confirmed part makes it onto the timeline. Also, with the exception of a couple of pages from Selina's Big Score (still found in Batman: Ego and Other Stories), all of these comics are out of print.

This post is most definitely NOT dial-up friendly and is VERY, VERY image heavy. But I swear it'll be worth it.

Please be advised, this post contains violence, domestic abuse, self harm, suicide and mentions of rape.





































































Selina's story is continued in issues #38, #39 and #40 of her 1993 series (an arc titled Catwoman: Year Two), which chronicles her change from the gray suit above to the purple suit she wore throughout the nineties, which will be posted as I work my way through posting all of Catwoman's appearances. For now, though, it's safe to say that this timeline represents Selina's life from childhood all the way up to the first year of her life as Catwoman.

I find that this timeline quite clearly conveys all the reasons why Selina became Catwoman as well as all the reasons how she became Catwoman in a completely believable way.

The whys are easiest: If you've ever been poor, you understand her desire for wealth. If you've ever been confined, you can understand her need for freedom. If you've ever depended on someone else only to find out they can't be dependable, you can understand her need for independence. If you've ever been betrayed, you can understand why she had learn to look out for number one.

There's psychological cause and effect at work here. Just like we all carry our emotional scars from things that have happened to us, so does Selina. This trait sets her apart from many fictional characters--especially most two-dimensional masked villains in comic books. You can see where her scars came from and how she chose to deal with them.

Now, some people don't like to see these scars. They label Selina as a victim in her origin story, or a bad character, or worse, a bad person. That isn't true. The fact is: bad things happen to us all and it doesn't matter if you've been wounded, what matters is how you heal from the wound.

At every turn throughout the timeline, Selina has been met with adversity--sometimes outright resistence. Yet, she overcomes all the obstacles that come her way. She learns from them or maneuvers around them or develops the skills to overcome them.

And what about those skills? Sure, someone might say it's unlikely for a dominatrix to become a master thief, but I say that's hogwash. Selina, like all of us, is more than just an occupation. A secretary can have interests outside taking memos, a construction worker can have interests outside laying concrete and a dominatrix can have interests outside dominating her clients--a fact that we've seen here, from her sessions with her teachers to her close friendship with Holly to her romantic entanglement with Stark.

Within the timeline, she studied the basics of self-defense and boxing with Ted Grant--a man who also taught her how to use a bullwhip and how to think strategically. With Stark, she learned to identify items of worth, how to steal, how to crack safes, how to fence stolen goods. With the Sensei, she learned to fight with grace and maneuver in upper class society with ease. She took gymnastics as a child and honed those skills at Seagate.

All these things came together to make ordinary Selina Kyle into a legend. What's more, all these things came together to make her into a three dimensional character with hopes, feelings and motivations. This version of Selina is a complicated person, layered and positively fascinating, and an absolute gem of a fictional character.

Now, with this post finally, FINALLY complete, I can go off and start playing catch-up with back-logged posts that I owe you guys. :)
Tags: costume: gray, costume: out of costume, scans!scans!scans!, think like selina

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[info]box_in_the_box

April 3 2011, 10:53:54 UTC 1 year ago

WHY DOESN'T HELLHOUND HAVE MORE KNIVES ON HIS SUIT

I DON'T THINK HELLHOUND HAS ENOUGH KNIVES ON HIS SUIT

A MAN DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH KNIVES ON HIS SUIT UNLESS EVERY SINGLE MOVEMENT OF HIS ARMS OR LEGS RISKS SLASHING HIMSELF TO RIBBONS

Seriously, though, this is an astonishing achievement in fictive history archiving, to be able to draw a through-line from so many disparate sources, and you're to be commended for it.

And here's one of the posts you need to catch up on:

[info]box_in_the_box

April 3 2011, 10:58:41 UTC 1 year ago

ALSO HELLHOUND NEEDS TO BE LOUDER, ANGRIER AND HAVE ACCESS TO A TIME MACHINE

AND WHENEVER HELLHOUND ISN'T AROUND, ALL THE OTHER CHARACTERS SHOULD BE ASKING, "WHERE'S HELLHOUND?"

Oh, God ... WHY SO '90S DESIGN AESTHETIC, HELLHOUND?

[info]thehefner

1 year ago

[info]box_in_the_box

April 3 2011, 11:07:06 UTC 1 year ago

In fact, somebody could have made a mint in the '90s by creating a character called KnifeFist.

[info]box_in_the_box

April 3 2011, 11:17:15 UTC 1 year ago

Just so I'm not completely derailing your post, it's both inspiring and depressing that you've easily invested more intelligence and concern in drawing out a compelling and internally consistent character from all these past portrayals than even the best of her officially licensed writers have done.

[info]thehefner

1 year ago

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[info]captaintwinings

April 4 2011, 00:10:42 UTC 1 year ago

This is huge, and I'm sure I'll have more things to say than just this, but it's probably better to break it into separate comments, because damn. Amazing work on this huge-ass project, by the way.

About Selina being a "fake prostitute": it's not unheard of for a dominatrix not to engage in physical intercourse with a client. Denial of orgasm can be part of the humiliation/bondage scenario. (You probably know this already, but I feel like it needs to be said.) While she might have some trouble with a few clients if she honestly didn't want to sleep with any of them, for many of the type who would choose to seek out that type of sexual encounter, it wouldn't set off warning bells.

Note that this wouldn't make her a fake, as she would still be serving the sexual needs of her clients even if she never touched them sexually. She would only be fake by totally vanilla standards, which is probably how most readers are looking at it anyway if they need her not to be a "real" sex worker.

[info]bitemetechie

April 5 2011, 06:40:17 UTC 1 year ago

Of course, I realize that; I considered putting that in the timeline, actually, but I thought it could easily be miscontrued if I said, "Selina didn't necessarily have REAL sex with her clients." In the context of the timeline, that would have come across as, "Okay, so she was a dominatrix...but she wasn't having sex so it's totally okay!"

That's not the message I want to send. "Selina was a dominatrix," followed by, "here are all the reasons why the idea of pretending to be one doesn't make any sense" may gloss over what can be included in the job description, but it's much less problematic in the long run.

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[info]bitemetechie

April 5 2011, 06:40:54 UTC 1 year ago

Thank you! :) Spread it around if you like!

[info]iskra_revoir

April 5 2011, 21:40:45 UTC 1 year ago

Holy cat-history girl!! This is definitely THE timeline. The most complete and exact compilation of catwoman´s origins and it´s well worth the time it takes to read it :)

And congratulations on your baby!!! Good luck with your next grand adventure ;)

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:32:50 UTC 11 months ago

Thank you! On all counts! I'm so very glad you enjoyed it. :D

--Dr-Von-Fangirl, logged into her primary account because she's a lazy so-and-so.

[info]surrealname

April 7 2011, 19:24:28 UTC 1 year ago

People are bothered by someone in a comic book having skills that are not related to their day job?

...Just gonna say that it makes a bit more sense to me for a dominatrix to be a skilled cat-burglar than for a trustfund baby to be able to know how to build working robot suits.

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:38:17 UTC 11 months ago

People are bothered by someone in a comic book having skills that are not related to their day job?

More like people are bothered by the idea that a comic book character was a sex worker at some point in her career. A few very vocal people in fandom completely lose their shit over it and spew all kinds of hateful things about Dominatrix!Selina. It's really, really awful. :/

[info]surrealname

11 months ago

[info]surrealname

April 7 2011, 19:36:40 UTC 1 year ago

on the other hand it makes more sense to me that an alien from a dead planet could be given super powers by the sun than for a person to win the genetic/class system lottery to the point that they are born into limitless wealth and with the physical potential to be an olympic level athlete and the worlds greatest hand to hand combatant while also having a genius level i.q.

Anonymous

April 17 2011, 04:39:51 UTC 1 year ago

Thank you so much for this post! I'm relatively new to comics but I've always liked Selina in the cartoons and couldn't believe how hard it was to get issues that dealt with her origin in a consistent manner. This has been very helpful. Thanks again. :)

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:39:55 UTC 11 months ago

You're very welcome! And welcome to the wonderful world of comic books! I hope you stick around. :D

[info]mistaria

May 21 2011, 23:07:02 UTC 1 year ago

Was linked to this from the DC women kickin ass tumblr. I just have to say this is amazing and you are amazing for putting all this together. I knew a lot of it (my first graphic novel was "Her Sisters Keeper" when I was 11, haha) but not all of it. Words cannot describe how much I love Selina. :]

Congrats on your impending (or current) motherhood! I hope you and the little one are doing well.

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:47:37 UTC 11 months ago

Thank you very much! I'm really glad you enjoyed it; I know it's a lot of history to take in at once, so I appreciate you taking the time to read the whole thing.

And thanks for the congratulations! Motherhood is still impending, but it's right around the corner, so...you know...yikes-but-yay and all. :D

Dr-Von-Fangirl, who is far too lazy to log out of her primary LJ account right now.

[info]evolet2

May 22 2011, 10:48:13 UTC 1 year ago

Her wrist...

Is it just me, or do her wrist look slit on that panel where she's outside the counselor's office looking down on them?

Anyway, this is amazing!

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:50:26 UTC 11 months ago

Re: Her wrist...

It's not just you; someone's asked that before. However, the context in the issue is that Selina gets scratched pretty often living with a bunch of cats. :)

And thank you! I'm happy you liked it!

Dr-Von-Fangirl, who is far too lazy to log out of her primary LJ account right now.

[info]gen_kun

June 3 2011, 22:25:11 UTC 11 months ago

Incredible post! Thank you for sharing. I am glad to see the Jim Balent years represented, that was a fun book! So much better than Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose.

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:51:55 UTC 11 months ago

Oooh! A gold star! *grabby hands*

Thanks for the compliments and thank you even more for reading! :D

Dr-Von-Fangirl, via her regular LJ account.

[info]Carlos Mal

June 4 2011, 22:00:49 UTC 11 months ago

WOW.

This should be a thesis or something. Great job.

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:53:42 UTC 11 months ago

Re: WOW.

Thank you very much. :) I'm not sure I could turn the definitive Catwoman history into an actual thesis, but believe me, I'd definitely be willing to try sometime.

Thanks for stopping by!

Dr-Von-Fangirl via her regular LJ account, I promise.

[info]digital_eraser

June 5 2011, 01:21:36 UTC 11 months ago

Fantastic post! It was very in-depth...thanks for that.

I'm not sure if you've seen the new Catwoman trailer for Batman: Arkham City yet, but I'm kind of curious what you think of how she's portrayed in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR1GPU2bvVc

[info]bitemetechie

June 6 2011, 20:55:21 UTC 11 months ago

Thank you! I'm glad you took the time to read it!

You know, I have seen the new trailer and my feelings are...pretty mixed. I'll get around to talking about it when I've got time, but thanks for the linkage! Maybe now I won't forget! :)

Dr-Von-Fangirl, who is far too lazy to log out of her primary LJ account right now.

[info]Tom Catt

July 1 2011, 03:53:41 UTC 10 months ago

My Goodness.

I've been reading Catwoman comics for as long as I can remember. She's been a terrific role model for me and has taught me to be catty compassionate and seductive (although Bea Arthur and Maes West tend to take a good amount of the credit.) I've read HSK, all of her on goings and even trudged through sirens. (I also have aspirations to obtain ALL of the issues she's ever appeared in and it's proving to be a VERY big pain in the ass.) I have to say that your origin for her is definitive, concise, and outrageously perfect. I loved reading it from start to finish and the scans made my day...however (there's always a however) I'm curious as to understand why her "circus performing" days when she was probably 6 or 7 wasn't included (this can be seen in the issue after she was shot by Mercy. #75.) I know that in the beginning she was with her father until he croaked when she was about 9-10 ("i was on the streets by the 6th grade" so give or take a year for seagate.) but I'm just curious did you write it out because it was clear that Selina couldn't have been kidnapped by a circus with enough time to be set between her father dying and her being found on the streets and then being shipped to sea gate? or was there just too little evidence to prove something as trivial as being "taken in" by circus folk as canon?

Ya know what they say about curiosity and cats? ;)

[info]dr_von_fangirl

September 18 2011, 23:48:27 UTC 8 months ago

Re: My Goodness.

Unfortunately, all my comics are currently in storage, so I can't go poke at that issue and check it out, but I assure you, if anything was left out, it's probably because it was either contradicted by other canon or never substantiated. Sounds like a case of both in this instance.

And hey, if you're looking to collect all Selina's appearances, you should stay tuned: I've been working on the most complete Catwoman appearance chronology in history. It may help you on your noble quest!

[info]lisechen

July 10 2011, 16:24:12 UTC 10 months ago

This is amazing. I am staggered. I'm bookmarking this for future reference. Thank you so much for this much-needed and thoroughly comprehensive resource!

[info]dr_von_fangirl

September 18 2011, 23:50:44 UTC 8 months ago

You're welcome! And thank you for reading! :)

[info]castinbronze

August 13 2011, 14:29:00 UTC 9 months ago

wow

kudos! i was engrossed in this for a solid few hours. Nicely put together. ^.^

[info]dr_von_fangirl

September 18 2011, 23:51:48 UTC 8 months ago

Re: wow

I'm so glad you enjoyed it, and thanks! :D

[info]commodore_zeke

August 31 2011, 06:53:16 UTC 8 months ago

Thanks for putting all this together! Musta been a lot of work.

[info]dr_von_fangirl

September 18 2011, 23:53:13 UTC 8 months ago

It was, but the end result was totally worth it. Thanks for dropping by! I'm glad you got the chance to check it out.

[info]d_mononoke

September 19 2011, 00:37:24 UTC 8 months ago

WOW....this timeline is just amazing! I had the basis of what Catwoman's general history was but I didn't know there was more to her history and character.

Thanks for putting this all together! My respect for Catwoman just doubled! :D

[info]dr_von_fangirl

September 19 2011, 01:00:40 UTC 8 months ago

Awesome!! Thank YOU for reading it! I'm always super happy to know I've influenced someone to like Catwoman a little more! :D I'm so glad you enjoyed this. You seriously just made my day.

[info]shuvcat

September 19 2011, 02:04:45 UTC 8 months ago

Excellent job on this. I appreciated being able to catch up, having stopped reading the '93 series long ago. Very interesting and informative. Much grateful.

[info]dr_von_fangirl

November 1 2011, 15:51:28 UTC 6 months ago

You're very, very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!

[info]kaorii_niiht

September 19 2011, 15:19:41 UTC 8 months ago

I am always getting into fights about how Catwoman is more complex than she appears in recent comics and I am linking this wonderful post up to show those fanboys what for! I love you [info]dr_von_fangirl!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to post this, it really made my morning. I shall have to sneak out tonight and snatch up all the Catwoman comics I can.

[info]dr_von_fangirl

November 1 2011, 15:59:01 UTC 6 months ago

No problem! I'm always happy to spread the comic book gospel. Thanks for reading! :D
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